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Re: Alaric Bond - The Jackass Frigate
Does anyone have any comments on my "quibbles"?
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- I believe that "King risking Pigot's displeaser" is a matter of 'to whom is your loyalty owed'? The answer is simply (and obviously) to the Ship, the crew and the mission, and hence to the Captain. If you don't like a superior officer 'personally', you stay out of his way/limit exposure to him as best you can......but you still 'do your duty'.
King's abilities as 'prize master' do show his professionalism and abilities to improvise and adapt to situations as they present themselves.
As I remember, King did tell his superior (Pigot's replacement) of the existence of his pistol during their conversation on Pigot's death. While he could have brought it directly to the attention of the Captain, by using the chain-of-command, his actions could be considered proper.
As for the actions of the senior officer presiding at the enquiry, who obviously set the tone for the proceedings as well as the final outcome, I find them to be proper for a mature, well seasoned senior officer who had been tasked to hold an enquiry and not one who was tasked to preside over a hearing that came with a predetermined outcome to settle a grudge or provide 'payback'. for an earlier action, slight, insult, etc. (as we seem to see too often in HNF).
Caufield actions and relationships with both King and Banks ring true to me as those of an officer taking over 'premiership' in a less than ideal situation. As the officer responsible for the day-to-day operations of the ship, you must make judgements of the 'quality' of those doing the work as well as the quality of their work. While not 'snap judgements', you do need to make these 'value judgements' fairly soon after assuming that responsibility. I think the fact that Caufield 'believed' that King had committed the murder, but did not report his belief to Banks....speaks volumes
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My point exactly. It was more than he didn't like Pigot. My point is, he bravely did his duty despite knowing that Pigot had the power to make his life truly miserable and would not hesitate to use that power.80 Winters wrote:I believe that "King risking Pigot's displeaser" is a matter of 'to whom is your loyalty owed'? The answer is simply (and obviously) to the Ship, the crew and the mission, and hence to the Captain. If you don't like a superior officer 'personally', you stay out of his way/limit exposure to him as best you can......but you still 'do your duty'.
ExactlyKing's abilities as 'prize master' do show his professionalism and abilities to improvise and adapt to situations as they present themselves.
Yes, but he did not act in character with his prior actions, IMO. I think "cowardly boy" is an apt characterization of his conduct during that conversation.As I remember, King did tell his superior (Pigot's replacement) of the existence of his pistol during their conversation on Pigot's death. While he could have brought it directly to the attention of the Captain, by using the chain-of-command, his actions could be considered proper.
Maybe my memory is failing here, but was Banks presiding over the hearing? I thought he was there as a witness ... In any case, after the hearing he treated his subordinates who had withheld vital information from him the same way he treated them before the hearing. I would have expected some consequences ...As for the actions of the senior officer presiding at the enquiry, who obviously set the tone for the proceedings as well as the final outcome, I find them to be proper for a mature, well seasoned senior officer who had been tasked to hold an enquiry and not one who was tasked to preside over a hearing that came with a predetermined outcome to settle a grudge or provide 'payback'. for an earlier action, slight, insult, etc. (as we seem to see too often in HNF).
I'm not sure, but you seem to be making my point. This was more than a day-to-day operation was it not? Yes, you need to make snap judgements, but you do not withhold information that might impugn the leadership ability of the commander who you respect more than duty demands. The fact that the commander was unaware of knowledge possessed by his subordinates would not look very well on a performance review, would it.Caufield actions and relationships with both King and Banks ring true to me as those of an officer taking over 'premiership' in a less than ideal situation. As the officer responsible for the day-to-day operations of the ship, you must make judgements of the 'quality' of those doing the work as well as the quality of their work. While not 'snap judgements', you do need to make these 'value judgements' fairly soon after assuming that responsibility. I think the fact that Caufield 'believed' that King had committed the murder, but did not report his belief to Banks....speaks volumes
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I have only recently managed to get hold of one of Alaric Bond's books, and as it happened it was the Jackass Frigate, even though I normally try and read series in order.
I enjoyed the story, and found the characters to be more three-dimensional than is often the case in naval fiction. I also was glad that the plot did not involve the protagonist dealing with an evil French spy carried over from previous volumes, a plot device that seems to dominate much of naval fiction, despite the fact that in reality (aside from Sydney Smith and Philippe d'Auvergne) RN officers spent most of their time on the mundane tasks of blockade, convoy defence, cutting-out expeditions and the like.
I do agree with 80 Winters' comments on the unlikelihood of a court-martial sweeping under the rug a suspicion that an officer had killed his superior. I have just finished reading an account of the trial of Bounty "mutineer" Peter Heywood, which reinforces my understanding that the 'senior management' of the navy dealt very severely with anything that smacked of indiscipline or mutiny. Heywood was almost certainly innocent of all the charges against him, and had powerful 'interest', yet he was still convicted and sentenced to hang, albeit with a recommendation for mercy. It is hard to believe that in such an environment the suspected killing of one officer by another would go uninvestigated, as pleasing as this may be to our 21st-century sensibilities about natural justice.
I also have a few nits to pick with the Alaric Bond over his use of language...in an effort to provide the reader with the sense of being inside the relatively closed community of the Georgian navy he has introduced naval slang. However, while "premier" is certainly an appropriate nickname for a first lieutenant, I am pretty sure "First luff" is a twentieth-century RN term, not used in the historical period of the book. Similarly, "bull ship" seems a bit too modern ("pusser ship" might be the appropriate equivalent), and I think the use of the phrase "Check, Check, Check", meaning cease fire, only came in with the introduction of director firing many years later, when standard orders needed to be intelligible when sent over the voice-pipe to gun turrets. I would be interested if Alaric Bond has any evidence of the use of these phrases in the age of sail.
However my major quibble is with the use of the term "nationalist" to denote Irishmen who opposed the British control of Ireland at this time. The word nationalist only came into use at the end of the 19th century, and implies a completely different political situation than existed in late Georgian times. I have no doubt that in the late 18th century, refractory Irishmen would have been called "United Irishmen" after the movement that tried to eject the British in 1798.
These are however minor points; overall I enjoyed the book and look forward to reading more in this series.
I enjoyed the story, and found the characters to be more three-dimensional than is often the case in naval fiction. I also was glad that the plot did not involve the protagonist dealing with an evil French spy carried over from previous volumes, a plot device that seems to dominate much of naval fiction, despite the fact that in reality (aside from Sydney Smith and Philippe d'Auvergne) RN officers spent most of their time on the mundane tasks of blockade, convoy defence, cutting-out expeditions and the like.
I do agree with 80 Winters' comments on the unlikelihood of a court-martial sweeping under the rug a suspicion that an officer had killed his superior. I have just finished reading an account of the trial of Bounty "mutineer" Peter Heywood, which reinforces my understanding that the 'senior management' of the navy dealt very severely with anything that smacked of indiscipline or mutiny. Heywood was almost certainly innocent of all the charges against him, and had powerful 'interest', yet he was still convicted and sentenced to hang, albeit with a recommendation for mercy. It is hard to believe that in such an environment the suspected killing of one officer by another would go uninvestigated, as pleasing as this may be to our 21st-century sensibilities about natural justice.
I also have a few nits to pick with the Alaric Bond over his use of language...in an effort to provide the reader with the sense of being inside the relatively closed community of the Georgian navy he has introduced naval slang. However, while "premier" is certainly an appropriate nickname for a first lieutenant, I am pretty sure "First luff" is a twentieth-century RN term, not used in the historical period of the book. Similarly, "bull ship" seems a bit too modern ("pusser ship" might be the appropriate equivalent), and I think the use of the phrase "Check, Check, Check", meaning cease fire, only came in with the introduction of director firing many years later, when standard orders needed to be intelligible when sent over the voice-pipe to gun turrets. I would be interested if Alaric Bond has any evidence of the use of these phrases in the age of sail.
However my major quibble is with the use of the term "nationalist" to denote Irishmen who opposed the British control of Ireland at this time. The word nationalist only came into use at the end of the 19th century, and implies a completely different political situation than existed in late Georgian times. I have no doubt that in the late 18th century, refractory Irishmen would have been called "United Irishmen" after the movement that tried to eject the British in 1798.
These are however minor points; overall I enjoyed the book and look forward to reading more in this series.
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